And who’s to judge anyway, Tex? I've heard that before....what happened? DMB always plays three shows at the Gorge in WA every August and all the fratty beer pong dudes at the lolcollege I work at seem to be way into this, enough that the phrase "Dave at the Gorge" is a major douchebag signifier. Which is wrong. They like great music; they just don't seem to understand what makes it great. Though not the primary intent behind the song, I’m all for that; High Times magazine, this one is for you!”. So there must be something special about this band that emits enough energy to inspire such passion, not only in their fans, but also in the Icks, sufficiently so as to make phish-hating an enthusiastic and full-time venture. The main thrust of my curriculum is energy, generally defined as the ability to cause change. Just for fun, I was googling the worst phish show ever. Recovery, in general, across the world, is becoming a sustainable alternative to drinking and drugs, and it shows up in the music world. 5 years ago all the dmb haters woulda piled on here. To sit, observe and listen is to watch the bullet train pass in a blur, a remarkable sight for sure, but to hop the train for the ride of your life, ya gotta dance. Fuck a tarp. and those red rocks! Ugh I can’t get started. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. ― tulsa anti-juggalo league ([email protected] He1ges0n), Thursday, 23 July 2009 18:00 (eleven years ago) link. That’s it. If you know and love Phish, you know that the words are as they should be; phishy. And I was at Coventry. guys Phish is playing Red Rocks next weekend. I used to work with a whole gang of them. Drugs, including alcohol, are a choice, a sustainable one for some, but for many, they are not. You laugh, you cry, you get introspective, you celebrate loudly, you might even get a little scared,” continues Joey Wall, one of many whose life experience has been enriched by Phish. Given the entirety of over a half-century of American pop music to draw from, they've created an assemblage of funk basslines that do nothing to move the heart or the ass, aimlessly wandering guitar solos, and the skimpiest and least memorable melodies imaginable. It’s a fruitful relationship. This content is created and maintained by a third party, and imported onto this page to help users provide their email addresses. ― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 23 July 2009 15:26 (eleven years ago) link. The article elicited a quick and brutal response from offended fans, understandably so as the tone was nasty. Also although I was so excited for Hampton 2003, it killed me when Trey couldn't play YEM without fucking it up and they had to start it over....however the rest of that run wasn't as bad as people sometimes claim. They blindly cut down Phish, imagining some obligation to dis them, just to be that guy. Right under your unsuspecting nose, they’re selling out four consecutive nights at New York City’s premier rock venue, Madison Square Garden, including New Year’s Eve, in minutes. There is nothing ordinary here. Jason Mraz fans. ― tulsa anti-juggalo league ([email protected] He1ges0n), Thursday, 23 July 2009 19:12 (eleven years ago) link, dave shows would have the worst booze by far and plenty of it, ― joygoat, Thursday, 23 July 2009 19:19 (eleven years ago) link. I never saw the NYE shows in 2011 or 2002 i think that were supposed to be really bad, so I can't speak for those, but I did one time go to a show in Charlotte, or maybe Raleigh, where Trey fucked up Slave so badly that he just ended the song and they never did the ending. They kept talking about the upcoming Buffett show in Chicago, at least between songs about drinking tequila in Cabo. Please. He is known for laying down some powerful pills, archetypal lines that hit hard, resonate and imprint on your psyche; I know I will never look at an antelope the same. Still, such a sweeping statement is patently unfair. My worst experience was last summer at Jones Beach. Anyway, I saw a Jimmy Buffett-inspired band play a free show in a local park last week, and God did it suck. DMB fans just dude around, too, but the drinking gets frat-party ugly. Maybe the difference is. Being a professional music critic, I'm often accused of snobbery by people who categorically consider music critics snobs, and while it's true that I can be fairly hateful toward music I don't like, I'm willing to give pretty much anything an honest chance. DMB fans seem to be more serious about how deep DMB is. It’s hard enough these days to score tickets and an XL Phish hoodie from Dry Goods. Remember, whatever you do, it’s all about energy; it’s everywhere; it’s plain to see. So we get it, they’re goofballs, and we love them for that. Indeed, no one has ever accused Phish of taking themselves too seriously. All of those things happen to be true. "he said...all things passantino the night" (omar little), I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor). eval(ez_write_tag([[580,400],'liveforlivemusic_com-medrectangle-4','ezslot_1',140,'0','0'])); In my spare time, I am a science teacher in the Bronx (This spare time has now accumulated to twenty years of full-time meticulous molding of malleable minds.). They covet what we have, the perfect relationship; we love Phish; they love us; we respect them, and they keep putting out (music, that is). ― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 14:46 (eleven years ago) link. I think mine tend to stand out; Trey and I like that our songs don’t spoon feed the listener, neither the music nor the lyrics.” Phish, runway models for nonconformity, stand boldly and proudly apart from the herd, perhaps making them easy targets, while definitely making them one of a kind. And though denied their fair share considering their relevance, coverage has warmed somewhat. The songs are well-produced, sleek, radio-friendly, and not overly jammy. ― goole, Thursday, 23 July 2009 18:03 (eleven years ago) link, last year i did a day job bouncing at a street fair in saint paul and some tommy bahama mofos were getting all uppity with me cuz they thought they didn't need wristbands, ― tulsa anti-juggalo league ([email protected] He1ges0n), Thursday, 23 July 2009 18:04 (eleven years ago) link, that's when you strangle them with their sunglass strings, ― ^prizes the praise of the media, and the Europeans (will), Thursday, 23 July 2009 18:11 (eleven years ago) link, a Phish concert = hanging out with a bunch of high retards, Jimmy Buffett = a bunch of drunk retards, Dave Matthews = a bunch of sober retards. Many of the band’s lyrics are silly on the surface, and certainly cryptic. I don't know any Dave Matthews Band fans, who are they, college students? I think it's a vacation mindset sort of thing. Third night in Denver in '99 was epic, btw. they're pretty awesome in that they combine the worst attributes of all three!! And perhaps the greatest irony of all is the sad fact that a good portion of Icks are a select group of jaded, mostly older Deadheads, very harsh is their assessment of Phish, wary of any band taking the Dead’s place in their hearts, still resisting the freshness Phish brings. I do have one good friend who goes to Buffett shows with his whole extended family. “The perfect show is one that makes you feel every emotion, even unpleasant ones. Kidding, never seen Phish, though the Phish fans I've met have been not too bad -- I mean, the thing about this question is that these fans are the BEST fans in a lot of ways. Phish.net is a non-commercial project run by Phish fans and for Phish fans under the auspices of the all-volunteer, non-profit Mockingbird Foundation. ― joygoat, Friday, 24 July 2009 01:09 (eleven years ago) link, ― tylerw, Friday, 24 July 2009 01:23 (eleven years ago) link. Maybe the difference is. I've seen people refuse to leave when the rail riders confront them and they cry to the security. These moments in song, vessels for thought, take us to highly personal places. Things have really changed since this thread started? In these ways, we find meaning in the meaninglessness.eval(ez_write_tag([[300,250],'liveforlivemusic_com-banner-1','ezslot_6',132,'0','0'])); Perhaps due in part to their association with the Grateful Dead, and definitely because of some real life drug issues involving the band’s now steadfastly sober leader and some of their fans; Phish has been stigmatized as a drug band for druggies. It is free open space. So bad that when they came back in '09, I was reluctant to go see them again. The worst thing about Phish fans is that they combine all the worst aspects of hippies, super-entitled upper-middle-class suburban kids and nerds. They reliably possess and emit energy like no other rock ensemble. I spent about a week last year with Ke$ha's "Die Young" on almost constant repeat. Unctuous. Similarly, to many aphishionados of the frenetic foursome, the plucked, pounded and caressed notes played on the instruments of Phish render like words, where spoken lyrics come second to lyrical instrumentation. The Mockingbird Foundation is a non-profit organization founded by Phish fans in 1996 to generate charitable proceeds from the Phish community.. And since we’re entirely volunteer – with no office, salaries, or paid staff – administrative costs are less than 2% of revenues! There is a Jimmy Buffett fan in every office and they are always a nice person. At all other types of shows you go to the point you want to watch the show and wait. Granted, most fans prefer it that way, in that they remain underground, our special thing, though even that fades with each passing year, as the band continues to grow, the exposure widens, pop culture permeates and more noobs (rookies) are absorbed into the fold. An admin from the Phellowship named Roger P. commented to me that “…in the beginning, only a few members would be found hanging around the table at the show during set break. But as a group they seem to have extracted only the least compelling elements of them for their own music. Or maybe I'm just talking about Phish fans -- but fans of that band are REALLY into the music. These folks flock to Buffett, drink and play dress up. And it’s this meaning, this joy derived from the obsession, that the Icks envy most, because they don’t get it. And then STAY with him. Because i've never known a DMB fan but i've known enough Jack Johnson fans to know i'd never want to hang out with one. ― tylerw, Thursday, 23 July 2009 19:22 (eleven years ago) link, i would literally go to anything at red rocks i've always wanted to go there ever since seeing that u2 video when i was a little kid, ― tulsa anti-juggalo league ([email protected] He1ges0n), Thursday, 23 July 2009 19:32 (eleven years ago) link. Dangerous use is certainly not condoned by the band. These killjoys, herein referred to as Icks, short for Icthyophobes (icthyophobia: fear of fish), have assumed a bandwagon mentality when disparaging the band. You have space for one ticket. Dude I’ll take back of the floor at dicks any show. I say push back against hate before it festers, unchecked and unchallenged, and always stand by your band. This poll is closing tomorrow. Predictably, many cannabis-friendly fans have ascribed their own meaning to these existential lyrics, declaring them a statement of support for pot legalization and a cue to light up. They’ve gotten some attention, whether it be a late night talk-show appearance, where though we pull so hard for them, they often fail to capture the magic in such a canned performance environment, or in an article in a national music magazine that tries to serve up the essence of Phish for you in a concise sound bite, almost always from an outsiders point of view, missing the mark more often than not. Some lyrical styles work best when all they do is make sense; they don’t stand out, and that’s valid. Sorry you don’t get it. I think it was 1999? Still, upon closer inspection, Phish’s lyrics, many of them penned by bandleader and guitarist Trey Anastasio‘s writing partners, the aforementioned Tom Marshall and Steve Pollak, at times reveal themselves to be deeply meaningful and poignant, if not enigmatic. In the trance-like “Waiting All Night,” a highly evolved composition from the band’s recent release Fuego, both instrumentally and vocally, the listener is swept far away, hypnotized by Anastasio’s exquisite refrain on guitar and haunting dreamlike vocals.

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